Legislature(2013 - 2014)Anch Temporary LIO

08/14/2014 09:00 AM House ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION REVIEW

Note: the audio and video recordings are distinct records and are obtained from different sources. As such there may be key differences between the two. The audio recordings are captured by our records offices as the official record of the meeting and will have more accurate timestamps. Use the icons to switch between them.

Download Mp3. <- Right click and save file as

Audio Topic
09:02:35 AM Start
09:02:41 AM Department of Education: Proposed 4 Aac 06.790: Repealing the High School Graduation Qualifying Exam and Requiring Students to Take Sat, Act, or Workkeys Assessments, in Accordance with House Bill 278.
10:58:00 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Rescheduled from 8/13/14 & 8/20/14 --
Location: 733 W 4th Ave, 1st Floor Conference Rm.
Meeting: 9:00am - 11:00am
+ Department of Education: Proposed Regulations TELECONFERENCED
4 AAC 06.710-.790: Repealing the High School
Graduation Qualifying Exam and requiring students
to take SAT, ACT, or WorkKeys assessments,
in accordance with House Bill 278
-- Public Testimony --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION REVIEW COMMITTEE                                                                         
                        August 14, 2014                                                                                         
                           9:02 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lora Reinbold, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carl Johnson, via teleconference                                                                                 
Representative Lynn Gattis, via teleconference                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION:  PROPOSED 4  AAC 06.790:  REPEALING THE                                                               
HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION QUALIFYING  EXAM AND REQUIRING STUDENTS TO                                                               
TAKE SAT~ ACT~ OR WORKKEYS  ASSESSMENTS~ IN ACCORDANCE WITH HOUSE                                                               
BILL 278.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MIKE HANLEY, Commissioner                                                                                                       
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions related to the proposed                                                               
4 AAC 06.790.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RON HIGHLAND                                                                                                     
Kansas State Legislature                                                                                                        
Topeka, Kansas                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing on the                                                                      
proposed 4 AAC 06.790.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA HEENY (ph)                                                                                                              
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified   during  the  hearing  on  the                                                             
proposed 4 AAC 06.790.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SASHA PETIT (ph)                                                                                                                
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified   during  the  hearing  on  the                                                             
proposed 4 AAC 06.790.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LORI COPPENBERG (ph)                                                                                                            
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified   during  the  hearing  on  the                                                             
proposed 4 AAC 06.790.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:02:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LORA  REINBOLD called the Administrative  Regulation Review                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  9:02 a.m.  Representatives Hawker,                                                               
Tarr, and Reinbold were present at the call to order.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
^Department of Education: Proposed 4 AAC 06.790: Repealing the                                                                  
High School Graduation Qualifying Exam and requiring students to                                                                
take SAT, ACT, or WorkKeys assessments, in accordance with House                                                                
Bill 278.                                                                                                                       
Department of Education: Proposed 4 AAC 06.790: Repealing the                                                                 
High School Graduation Qualifying Exam and requiring students to                                                              
take SAT, ACT, or WorkKeys assessments, in accordance with House                                                              
Bill 278.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:02:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD announced  the only  order of  business would  be                                                               
regarding  the Department  of Education:  Proposed 4  AAC 06.790:                                                               
Repealing  the   High  School  Graduation  Qualifying   Exam  and                                                               
requiring students to take SAT,  ACT, or WorkKeys assessments, in                                                               
accordance with House Bill 278.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD,  referencing  the   timeframe  of  the  proposed                                                               
regulations, reviewed that  HB 278 was passed on  April 25, 2014,                                                               
and  signed into  law on  May  14, 2014;  on April  2, 2014,  the                                                               
Department  of Education  and Early  Development  (EED) signed  a                                                               
contract with the Achieve Assessment  Institute of the University                                                               
of Kansas  (KU), for $100,308,  to begin  "the scope of  work for                                                               
student  testing on  Alaska  Standards"; on  July  10, 2014,  EED                                                               
signed another  contract with  KU, for  $3.8 million,  to develop                                                               
the test  for the  Alaska Standards;  and on  July 15,  2014, EED                                                               
signed a contract with KU  for $705,000, "because of an incorrect                                                               
dollar  amount."    She  questioned  why  state  money  has  been                                                               
"committed  in  effort  before the  regulations  have  even  been                                                               
adopted."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:03:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  HANLEY, Commissioner,  Department  of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development, responded  that the contract for  an assessment does                                                               
not  require  regulation,  because the  responsibilities  of  the                                                               
department,  in regard  to assessing  its  students, are  already                                                               
listed  in  existing  statute  and   regulation.    He  cited  AS                                                               
14.07.020(b)(2),  which  requires  the department  to  develop  a                                                               
comprehensive  system  of  student  assessments.    He  said  the                                                               
corresponding regulation is that  the commissioner shall select a                                                               
standardization  test that  estimates  the  degree students  have                                                               
mastered  academic  performance  standards.   He  indicated  that                                                               
securing a  vendor contract  is a  procurement process  like that                                                               
for  any  other  vendor;  it  is  designed  to  ensure  fairness,                                                               
integrity,  and  the best  value  for  the  state's dollar.    He                                                               
reiterated that  the department  underwent a  procurement process                                                               
to find its vendor, but did not require regulation to do so.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:05:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  offered her understanding  that the  Alaska State                                                               
Board of  Education is not  scheduled to discuss  the regulations                                                               
until September  18, 2014.   She  noted there  had been  a public                                                               
hearing process,  which ended  on August 15.   She  indicated the                                                               
regulations had  been reviewed  by the  Department of  Law (DOL),                                                               
finalized,  and sent  to the  lieutenant governor  to be  signed.                                                               
She offered  her understanding that the  earliest the regulations                                                               
would  take effect  would be  in  November or  December, and  she                                                               
asked if that is correct.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:05:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  confirmed that 30 days  after the lieutenant                                                               
governor signs the regulations, they become effective.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  said  the regulations  being  discussed,  4  AAC                                                               
06.790, are associated with the  high school qualifying exam, and                                                               
they  would  require  students   seeking  diplomas  to  take  the                                                               
Scholastic  Achievement  Test  (SAT),   ACT,  [or]  ACT  WorkKeys                                                               
assessments in  11th or 12th  grade, "and adopt by  reference the                                                               
Alaska supplemental WorkKeys assessment, dated June of 2014."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD   asked  Commissioner   Hanley  to   explain  the                                                               
aforementioned $705,000 error on the contract with KU.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:06:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  responded that  it was  a clerical  error on                                                               
the contract.   In response to a follow-up question,  he said the                                                               
amount to fix the error is a one-time expenditure.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:07:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD   directed  attention   to  4  AAC   06.717,  the                                                               
regulation  regarding college  and career  readiness assessments,                                                               
and said  it seems to  match HB 278.   She directed  attention to                                                               
subsection (b), which read as follows:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
             (b) The requirements under (a) of this                                                                             
     section are met if a student takes                                                                                         
                    (1) the SAT;                                                                                                
                    (2) the ACT; or                                                                                             
               (3) the following sections of the                                                                                
     WorkKeys assessment:                                                                                                       
                         (A) applied mathematics;                                                                               
                         (B) reading for information; and                                                                       
                         (C) locating information.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked what "takes" means.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   HANLEY  answered   that  it   means  the   student                                                               
participated and received a valid score.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked what a valid score would be.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered that  it is  one that  reflects the                                                               
input of the student accurately.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked if there are any test scores.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY said  no, the  legislature  did not  include                                                               
them.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  asked,  "Would you  consider  these  high-stakes                                                               
assessments or not?"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  answered  no.    He  said  the  legislature                                                               
removed the high stakes exam -  the high school graduates "HSG 3"                                                               
qualifying  exam -  and  moved from  passing  that assessment  to                                                               
participating in the SAT, ACT, or WorkKeys.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked if  a student would  be considered  to have                                                               
taken  the SAT,  ACT,  or WorkKeys  assessments  if he/she  wrote                                                               
his/her name on one of them.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered no,  because the student  would not                                                               
have generated a score.  In  response to a follow-up question, he                                                               
said an  incomplete test  would be  counted, because  the student                                                               
may not  have known  the answers to  all the  questions; however,                                                               
the student would need to generate a score.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked what the  purpose is in having students take                                                               
these tests.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered that [the  testing] is not driven by                                                               
regulation, but is driven by HB 278 - by the legislature.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD indicated  that the  [House] Education  Committee                                                               
had  "stripped out"  language pertaining  to  college and  career                                                               
readiness, because  it believed  that parents -  not the  state -                                                               
should pay  for SAT, ACT,  and WorkKeys.   She asked  again about                                                               
the purpose of the tests.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  said  the HSGQE  costs  approximately  $2.7                                                               
million, and the removal of that  allowed for [a lower cost means                                                               
by  which] to  inform parents  and students  of the  readiness of                                                               
students for success  in work and education.   He said previously                                                               
WorkKeys  was  required  of  all  students in  11th  grade.    By                                                               
changing  that requirement,  the legislature  provided an  option                                                               
for students to take the SAT, ACT, or WorkKeys.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked if the  SAT, ACT, and  WorkKeys assessments                                                               
were requirements of the No Child Left Behind (NCLB) waiver.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered no.   He said  the state  needed to                                                               
have a set of standards in  place to prepare students for success                                                               
after high school.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked Commissioner Hanley  if he is  stating that                                                               
the assessments are not required for the NCLB waiver.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered that is  correct.  He said he thinks                                                               
that  was   clear  in  the   legislature  when  it   removed  the                                                               
assessments, because the legislature  would not have been allowed                                                               
to remove them if they were required.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  noted that  it  was  the  department -  not  the                                                               
legislature - that signed the NCLB  waiver.  She asked again, "to                                                               
be  clear,"  whether  Commissioner  Hanley was  saying  that  his                                                               
position is  that "the  assessments are not  required as  part of                                                               
the No Child Left Behind waiver."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered, "They're not."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:13:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked if the  department would be  collecting and                                                               
storing the  scores from the  assessments, since the  state would                                                               
be paying for them.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered yes.   He said the assessments would                                                               
be protected in  the same manner in which other  student data is.                                                               
He relayed that  the data is not state data,  but really is "data                                                               
at the  local level to  inform students and educators  on student                                                               
readiness."   He  stated, "Currently  our WorkKeys  is already  a                                                               
part of our data system, so  it simply allows these other ones to                                                               
be a part it, as well."   In response to a follow-up question, he                                                               
said the Online  Alaska School Information System  (Oasis) is the                                                               
name  of the  data  system  the school  districts  have used  for                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:14:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  asked  Commissioner  Hanley  if  he  foresees  a                                                               
situation  in  which  a  student  refusing to  take  one  of  the                                                               
assessments could hurt his/her future.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY reiterated  that if a student  took even part                                                               
of the assessment, he/she would qualify for a diploma.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked Commissioner Hanley  if he thinks  it could                                                               
be beneficial  to expressly write  in statute that a  child would                                                               
not be forced to complete the assessment.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said it  seems clear  already.   He directed                                                               
attention to Section 3 of HB 278, which read as follows:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      * Sec. 3. AS 14.03.075 is repealed and reenacted to                                                                     
     read:                                                                                                                      
          Sec. 14.03.075. College and career readiness                                                                        
     assessment.  (a) A  school may  not  issue a  secondary                                                                  
     school diploma to a student  unless the student takes a                                                                    
     college and  career readiness assessment or  receives a                                                                    
     waiver from the governing body.                                                                                            
          (b) A school shall award a certificate of                                                                             
     achievement to  a student  who fails  to qualify  for a                                                                    
     diploma under  (a) of  this section by  the end  of the                                                                    
     student's final semester of attendance  but who has met                                                                    
     all  other  graduation  requirements of  the  governing                                                                    
     body and the state.                                                                                                        
          (c) The department shall provide funding for the                                                                      
     fee  for  a  single  administration of  a  college  and                                                                    
     career readiness assessment  for each secondary student                                                                    
     within two years of the student's expected graduation.                                                                     
          (d) In this section, "college and career                                                                              
     readiness assessment"  means the SAT, ACT,  or WorkKeys                                                                    
     assessment.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY opined  that the language is  clear, but said                                                               
he could  not speak to  the legislature as to  its interpretation                                                               
of  "unless the  student  takes a  college  and career  readiness                                                               
assessment".                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked who the "governing body" is.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered it is the local school board.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked Commissioner  Hanley to confirm  that under                                                               
the law,  a student who  wants to graduate  but does not  wish to                                                               
take one  of the assessment tests  would have to go  to the local                                                               
school board.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY replied,  "That's  the  way the  legislature                                                               
wrote this, yes."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:17:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD moved  on to  the  issue of  an accelerated  time                                                               
frame  of  the standards  based  test.   She  asked  Commissioner                                                               
Hanley  to confirm  whether  he  had a  hand  in formulating  the                                                               
language of HB 278.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered  that he was part  of the governor's                                                               
conversations on the issue.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD indicated there had  been some discrepancy between                                                               
the House  and Senate in terms  of [HB 278].   She indicated that                                                               
the HSGQE was  replaced by the yearly standards based  test.  She                                                               
cited 4 AAC 06.737, the  requirement to start the standards based                                                               
test, and  noted that it had  been accelerated by one  year.  She                                                               
asked Commissioner Hanley to explain.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  responded  that   the  department  has  had                                                               
standards-based  assessments (SBA)  in place  for several  years,                                                               
and  that  is  not  changing.   The  shift  is  simply  from  one                                                               
standards  based   test  to  another,  and   the  department  had                                                               
considered 2016  as the date  for that.   He said  the department                                                               
looked at  the advantages  of "getting  out of  some of  the more                                                               
ominous  and  restrictive  parts  of No  Child  Left  Behind  and                                                               
pursuing a waiver  from that and giving Alaska a  little bit more                                                               
freedom."   He relayed that  "one of  the components was  to make                                                               
that adjustment  to 2015,"  instead of 2016.   He  clarified that                                                               
that   means  the   2014-2015   school  year.      He  said   all                                                               
superintendents and school districts have  known for about a year                                                               
and a  half that the department  is moving to the  new assessment                                                               
in 2015.   He concluded,  "This is  a cleanup of  the regulations                                                               
that ... recognizes that date of 2015."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  offered   her  understanding  that  Commissioner                                                               
Hanley was saying  that "this change does have to  do with the No                                                               
Child Left Behind  waiver."  She asked, "So,  essentially you are                                                               
catching  up  with  your  promise   to  the  U.S.  Department  of                                                               
Education, in May  of 2013, to make sure you  started the student                                                               
testing this year, correct?"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD responded  that the  department is  not "catching                                                               
up."   He  clarified that  when  the department  applied for  the                                                               
waiver  from the  U.S. Department  of Education,  it did  what it                                                               
could,  made some  compromises, and  agreed to  implement certain                                                               
things, one  of which was to  establish an assessment on  the new                                                               
standards  in  2015.    He reiterated  that  the  regulation  was                                                               
cleaned  up  to  reflect  the understanding  and  expectation  of                                                               
stakeholders.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD, regarding the use  of the terms "catching up" and                                                               
"cleaned up," said the bottom line  is that the department made a                                                               
commitment to the  federal department to have  the assessments in                                                               
place by  "this year."   She offered  her understanding  that the                                                               
clean-up of  the regulation makes  the change from "2015  to this                                                               
year."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:21:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  asked Commissioner  Hanley  if  he foresees  any                                                               
problems with the acceleration.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY answered  no.   In response  to a  follow-up                                                               
question,  he  said  the  tests  are  in  the  process  of  being                                                               
completed, but are not done.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked Commissioner  Hanley if he  thinks it  is a                                                               
good idea to be  teaching a curriculum that may or  may not be on                                                               
target with the yet unfinished assessment tests.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  responded,  "We  test  what  we  teach,  as                                                               
opposed to  teaching what we  test."  He  said he considers  it a                                                               
backwards mentality to  think that schools "teach  for the test."                                                               
He  said  since 2012,  the  schools  have  been teaching  to  the                                                               
standards  that  the  department   deemed  appropriate,  so  that                                                               
students will be  prepared to be successful in  work and careers.                                                               
He said it would be nice  to have the tests completed sooner, but                                                               
it is not the driver of what is being taught right now.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD stated,  "So you think it's fine  that we're going                                                               
into these tests  right now when we're not even  certain that the                                                               
curriculum is  aligned to these  tests, is what I'm  hearing from                                                               
you?"                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY reiterated  that the  school districts  have                                                               
known for over  a year that there  will be a new  assessment.  In                                                               
response to her previous statement,  he clarified that he had not                                                               
said  that the  curriculum should  be aligned  to the  test.   He                                                               
stated,  "The  curriculum  is aligned  to  our  expectations  for                                                               
students to learn at each grade  level - those are the standards.                                                               
The test  simply reflects  what we teach.   So,  districts aren't                                                               
driven by  what's on the test;  they should be driven  by what we                                                               
need our students  to know, and that's based  on the expectations                                                               
represented in this change."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD said obviously the  curriculum needs to be aligned                                                               
to the standards.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY responded that is correct.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD reiterated her question as follows:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      Do you think it's a good idea to start a school year                                                                      
     with unknown tests required at the end of the year and                                                                     
       to be teaching curriculum that may or [may] not be                                                                       
     aligned to these tests?                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY said  he did  not  know how  to answer  that                                                               
again.  He  reiterated that the curriculum is not  supposed to be                                                               
aligned  to  the test;  it  is  supposed  to  be aligned  to  the                                                               
standard.    He  said  the  department  is  always  changing  its                                                               
assessments to keep them current.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked Commissioner Hanley  to confirm that what he                                                               
is saying is that the curriculum  is not aligned to the test, but                                                               
to the standard.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered yes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:25:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  asked what  would  happen  if the  current  time                                                               
schedule  was  kept so  that  the  change  could be  more  easily                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY asked  Chair Reinbold  what her  expectation                                                               
would be if the change happened this year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD reiterated her question.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY said the department  has shifted vendors from                                                               
the previous one  that provided the SBA to the  new one that will                                                               
provide the state's  new assessment.  He asked  Chair Reinbold if                                                               
she is  suggesting the department  keep the same  assessment from                                                               
the past and test by its old standards once more.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  said she is  concerned with the  accelerated plan                                                               
because she is  not sure that teachers and  curriculum are ready.                                                               
She offered  her understanding that  teachers are  not developing                                                               
the  assessment   or  administering  the  test,   but  are  being                                                               
evaluated on the test.   She asked Commissioner Hanley to confirm                                                               
if that is correct.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  said  the  tie of  teacher  evaluations  to                                                               
student learning does  not take place for another two  years.  He                                                               
continued as follows:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     It  has  to use  multiple  measures,  so the  statewide                                                                    
     assessment can only be one  of those multiple measures;                                                                    
     we actually got  it two to four measures.   So, for the                                                                    
     portion that is  tied to student learning,  two to four                                                                    
     measures need  to be  used.   We still  have --  of the                                                                    
     eight teacher  standards, only  one changed,  the other                                                                    
     seven  are still  in place  ... -  have always  been in                                                                    
     place.  The  only one that's changed  is the adjustment                                                                    
     to recognizing  student learning  in there,  but that's                                                                    
     still two years down the road.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD opined  that the  two years  is irrelevant.   She                                                               
asked  if  the  teachers  are designing  and  administrating  the                                                               
tests.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY answered  that KU  is working  directly with                                                               
Alaska  stakeholders to  customize a  test for  Alaska.   He said                                                               
there have been "item writing  workshops" for reading and writing                                                               
passages, so Alaska  educators are writing the  passages with the                                                               
oversight  of  professionals who  ensure  the  right standard  is                                                               
measured.  He said the department  is currently in the process of                                                               
receiving applications from Alaska  educators who will review the                                                               
items that will  be on the assessment.  He  further said over 500                                                               
educators  have applied,  and  the  department anticipates  there                                                               
will  be over  1,000.    He said  the  Alaska  educators will  be                                                               
looking to  make sure  the tests  are free  of bias,  accurate in                                                               
content, and have "sensitivity for  the Alaska context."  He said                                                               
the department  is excited about  the company it is  working with                                                               
and  the  work  being  done,  and   it  is  involving  a  lot  of                                                               
stakeholders to ensure  a balanced test.  He  stated, "And that's                                                               
really the  biggest difference  between ours and  a lot  of other                                                               
tests.    Well,  obviously  they're   the  ones  that  are  being                                                               
developed  by  two  consortia."    In  response  to  the  chair's                                                               
restated question,  he said teachers  can use a lot  of different                                                               
tools  to measure  a student's  growth, but  the state  standards                                                               
test will not be written or given by individual teachers.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:30:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  offered   her  understanding  that  Commissioner                                                               
Hanley was  saying that  teachers "do  not even  administer these                                                               
tests."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY responded,  "It  kind of  goes  back to  the                                                               
previous question that if teachers  are teaching students towards                                                               
...  our  standards, they'll  be  prepared  for the  assessments.                                                               
They shouldn't be teaching them  towards the test; they should be                                                               
teaching them  towards the  standard."   He added,  "Teachers and                                                               
other support  staff ... provide the  ... area and the  space and                                                               
the  time to  give these  tests."   He said  as part  of its  new                                                               
contract,  the  department  has   interim  assessments  that  are                                                               
aligned  to the  summative  assessment.   He  said the  summative                                                               
assessments are  optional, but do give  teachers an understanding                                                               
and idea  of where students are  as they moved toward  the end of                                                               
the  year.    In  response  to  Chair  Reinbold,  he  said  these                                                               
assessments would be given statewide.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked  if they are being designed  for both Alaska                                                               
Standard  students  and students  under  the  [Common Core  State                                                               
Standards (CCSS) Initiative].                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered  no.  He clarified  that only Alaska                                                               
Standards are  being assessed.   He said  the department  has the                                                               
expectation that  all students  will be  taught and  moved toward                                                               
proficiency  in  the  Alaska  Standards.   He  indicated  that  a                                                               
district could  establish different  standards that are  equal or                                                               
higher  than  the Alaska  Standards,  but  the assessments  would                                                               
still be made upon the Alaska Standards.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD asked  Commissioner  Hanley to  confirm that  the                                                               
assessments are not being aligned to the CCSS.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said KU is  customizing an assessment  to be                                                               
the Alaska Standard.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked,  "So, these tests are not  being aligned to                                                               
the  Common Core;  they're  to  Alaska Standards.    Is that  [a]                                                               
correct statement?"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered that is correct.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:33:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD recollected  that  in  a previous  Administrative                                                               
Regulation  Review  Committee  meeting, Commissioner  Hanley  had                                                               
said  that roughly  50 percent  of Alaska  Standards are  aligned                                                               
with  the CCSS.   She  indicated  that Senator  Gary Stevens  had                                                               
remarked  that  the  state  did  not  need  to  worry  about  its                                                               
alignment  with  the CCSS.    She  asked Commissioner  Hanley  to                                                               
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY   said  he  does  not   have  those  numbers                                                               
available and does  not want to offer an estimate.   He indicated                                                               
that there would be significant  changes to the language arts and                                                               
math standards.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD said three legislators  she spoke with in the past                                                               
few days said  Commissioner Hanley had stated that  the Alaska is                                                               
not a CCSS  state and does not  have to worry about  "that."  She                                                               
said   Marcy   Herman,   [Special  Assistant,   Office   of   the                                                               
Commissioner,  EED], sent  her an  e-mail stating  that does  not                                                               
follow the  CCSS.  She asked  Commissioner Hanley if that  is his                                                               
official position.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered that is correct.   He said a look at                                                               
"the consortia that put these  together" and CCSS web sites would                                                               
show that originally  46 states adopted the CCSS,  but Alaska was                                                               
never one  of them.  He  added his understanding that  the number                                                               
of states using the CCSS has dropped to 43.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked Commissioner  Hanley if  he was  saying the                                                               
Alaska Standard is different.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  answered  yes,  but  said  there  are  some                                                               
similarities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:35:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  announced that  she  would  take "a  ten  second                                                               
break."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:35:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD mentioned a letter  sent by Commissioner Hanley to                                                               
Patrick Rooney of the U.S. Department  of Education.  She read as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Dear Mr. Rooney,                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Enclosed is a  letter from the Council  of State School                                                                    
     Officers  confirming  that  it  has  been  analyzed  in                                                                    
     Alaska's  new  English  Language Arts  and  Mathematics                                                                    
     Standards  in   2012  and  found  them   to  be  nearly                                                                    
     identical to the  Common Core State Standards.   We are                                                                    
     submitting   this  information   in   support  of   our                                                                    
     application  to going  the Smarter  Balanced Assessment                                                                    
     Consortium.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked Commissioner Hanley to explain the letter.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  responded  that  "this isn't  part  of  the                                                               
regulatory package."   He indicated  that the  regulatory package                                                               
is  related  to  the  High   School  Graduation  Qualifying  Exam                                                               
(HSGQE), SAT,  ACT, and  WorkKeys, but "is  not before  the State                                                               
Board of Education  or standards that were adopted in  2012."  He                                                               
offered to  provide further information  if the chair  so desired                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD stated that she  would like Commissioner Hanley to                                                               
continue along this  vein, because "it has everything  to do with                                                               
the new assessment."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:36:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY said when the  department originally spoke to                                                               
the issue  of joining the Smarter  Balanced Assessment Consortium                                                               
(SBAC),  it  had the  expectation  of  students similar  to  that                                                               
expected  of them  under  the CCSS.    He said  he  thinks it  is                                                               
appropriate  to  recognize that  the  Alaska's  students will  be                                                               
competing for jobs with other  students around the country.  When                                                               
Alaska  joined   the  consortium   as  an  advisory   state,  the                                                               
department  remarked on  the  similarity as  it  pertains to  the                                                               
outcomes  of  students.   Since  then,  as the  conversation  has                                                               
continued,  he  said  he  has  not changed  from  that,  but  the                                                               
department  wants to  recognize great  changes and  where changes                                                               
have  not been  made.   He said  under the  CCSS there  are rules                                                               
about what  can and cannot  be changed,  which is why  Alaska did                                                               
not join  the CCSS, and  why the department clarified  the number                                                               
of standards that it has changed  and those that it has added and                                                               
moved  "to   places  that  we  thought   were  important  without                                                               
lessening  the rigor."    He said  he thinks  it  is a  continual                                                               
conversation.   Currently, he said, the  department has standards                                                               
in place that will allow  students to compete with other students                                                               
nationwide,  and  it  has  made   significant  changes  based  on                                                               
stakeholder input.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  recalled  that  Commissioner  Hanley  had  found                                                               
Alaska's standards  to be nearly  identical to the CCSS,  but had                                                               
minutes ago said  he thinks the curriculum needs to  align to the                                                               
standards so  that Alaska can  be on par with  national standards                                                               
and curriculum.   She posited that that raises  concern with many                                                               
people in Alaska.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:38:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD moved  on to  the subject  of testing  materials.                                                               
She stated that [Legislative Legal  and Research Services] sent a                                                               
memorandum  ("memo")   expressing  concern  over   the  statutory                                                               
authority  of the  department, which  she  said has  added a  new                                                               
definition  of "testing  materials" in  the last  section of  the                                                               
regulations.  She stated that  neither she nor [Legislative Legal                                                               
and Research Services] could find  "any use of that term anywhere                                                               
in  the ...  section  of regulations."    She asked  Commissioner                                                               
Hanley why  the department  is adding the  new definition  to the                                                               
Alaska Administrative Code.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered that there  are a couple reasons why                                                               
the department  is adding  the definition.   He  prefaced further                                                               
comment by stating the following:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I'm willing to  have this conversation, but  as a basic                                                                    
     protocol, memos  from the  Department of  Law regarding                                                                    
     regulations to  agencies - it  goes to agencies  and to                                                                    
     legislators  - are  confidential in  nature.   You have                                                                    
     the right to waive that  confidentiality; I don't.  But                                                                    
     if  you  want to  go  down  this  path and,  with  your                                                                    
     permission,  since  you have  ...  opened  this up  and                                                                    
     waived  that  confidentiality  with the  Department  of                                                                    
     Law, I'd be  willing to discuss it with  you, if that's                                                                    
     your desire.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  indicated she had  not been told  by [Legislative                                                               
Legal  and Research  Services] that  she must  go into  executive                                                               
session,  but rather  that going  into executive  session was  an                                                               
option.   She said she has  not gone into the  particular details                                                               
of the  multiple-page memo she  received, but indicated  that she                                                               
and Legislative Legal and Research  Services share concerns about                                                               
the new definition.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  stated for the  record that he  would assume                                                               
Chair  Reinbold   wished  to  discuss  the   materials  from  the                                                               
Department of Law.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD indicated that the  discussion does not have to be                                                               
in regard to the  memo.  She said, "This was  in my script before                                                               
I  even saw  ...  that memo,  which  ... I  read  in detail  last                                                               
night."   She  reiterated  that she  wants to  know  why the  new                                                               
definition is being added to the administrative code.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY responded,  "I'll  answer that,  recognizing                                                               
that the  Department of Law,  as you  stated, brought that  up in                                                               
their  memo; it  wasn't  mentioned  in other  places."   He  said                                                               
testing materials must be valid,  reliable, and confidential.  He                                                               
further  said previously  "testing  materials"  meant only  paper                                                               
materials,  but now  they include  the  electronic documents  and                                                               
software.     The  addition  of  "testing   materials"  adds  the                                                               
electronic component to the definition.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  stated  that electronic  documents  are  raising                                                               
concern,  and   she  announced  that   the  committee   would  be                                                               
addressing the issue in an upcoming  hearing.  She asked, "Do you                                                               
plan on ... using this term in future?"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said the department  is reviewing  the memo,                                                               
but it will use the term  within the school district as it always                                                               
has.     He  reiterated  the   importance  of   securing  testing                                                               
materials, both paper and electronic.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked if the term  is meant to oblige the state to                                                               
some fiscal responsibility in the future.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  answered  no;  it is  simply  to  recognize                                                               
within the school districts the  importance of confidentiality in                                                               
testing materials.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:44:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD said HB 278 prohibits  the use of money to develop                                                               
the CCSS, and  "we are developing yearly testing  that tests both                                                               
the Common  Core and  the Alaska Standards."   She  ventured that                                                               
the CCSS and the Alaska  Standards must be similar, "since you're                                                               
developing a single  test for both set of standards."   She asked                                                               
if that is correct.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered  that is not correct.   He clarified                                                               
that  only  one assessment  for  the  Alaska Standards  is  being                                                               
built.   He indicated that  there is erroneous  information being                                                               
posted on social media that  the legislature said money cannot be                                                               
spent on  "implementing standards  that are  based on  the Common                                                               
Core State Standards  Initiative."  He said that  is not correct;                                                               
that is not what  is written in HB 278.  He  said the language in                                                               
HB  278  states  that  the  department may  not  spend  money  to                                                               
implement  the  set  of   educational  curriculum  standards  for                                                               
kindergarten  through 12th  grade established  by the  CCSS.   He                                                               
recalled  discussion during  the  hearings on  HB 278  repeatedly                                                               
made clear  that "this was to  put a hedge between  our standards                                                               
and our  work and  the Common  Core, and that  we would  not move                                                               
towards the Common Core, that we  would continue to work with our                                                               
Alaska Standards."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  said that  is debatable.   She drew  attention to                                                               
the language in  Section 17 of HB 278, [on  page 13, beginning on                                                               
line 3], which read as follows:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
               (b) In implementing its duties under (a)(2)                                                                      
     of  this section,  the department  may  not expend  any                                                                
     money to  implement the  set of  educational curriculum                                                                
     standards   for   grades    kindergarten   through   12                                                                
     established by the Common Core Standards Initiative                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD said  she thinks that "it is the  same test."  She                                                               
clarified,  "The same  standards based  test is  going to  be for                                                               
Anchorage that  is in full  implementation of the Common  Core is                                                               
the same testing  that is going to be throughout  the state based                                                               
on Alaska Standards."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY explained that the  difference is that all of                                                               
Alaska's  school   districts  must  ensure  they   are  preparing                                                               
students on  the state's  standards, because  the state  does not                                                               
modify and  compromise to meet  the needs  of the districts.   In                                                               
response  to  Chair Reinbold,  he  confirmed  that there  is  one                                                               
unified test  given to all  district schools irrespective  of the                                                               
standards that any particular school  may be using; therefore, he                                                               
reiterated the  importance of each school  preparing its students                                                               
to be ready for the Alaska Standards assessment.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  said, "If I  base this  on the January  23, 2013,                                                               
letter that  you sent to  the U.S. Department of  Education, they                                                               
really have no  concern, because it states that  ... Alaska's new                                                               
standards were nearly  identical to Common Core  Standards."  She                                                               
asked  about recommendations  in advancing  the Alaska  Standards                                                               
when they  are nearly identical  to the CCSS, while  "the funding                                                               
seems to prohibit this."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY reiterated that [HB  278] was not designed to                                                               
stop the Alaska Standards.  He continued as follows:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Any funds that  need be spent on  the implementation of                                                                    
     the  Alaska Standards  are  simply around  professional                                                                    
     development and [the]  work we do in  districts to help                                                                    
     them understand  and begin the  implementation process.                                                                    
     The  implementation of  the standards  is  not ...  the                                                                    
     assessment;  that's the  measurement of  the standards,                                                                    
     not  the implementation  of the  standards.   [They're]                                                                    
     very clearly different.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:50:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:50 a.m. to 9:51 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:51:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD directed  attention to  [4 AAC  06.710, statewide                                                               
student assessment system], and 4  AAC 06.790, definitions, and a                                                               
possible change that would require  students seeking a diploma to                                                               
take the SAT, ACT, or WorkKeys  tests once in 11th or 12th grade.                                                               
She  indicated  that  her  research regarding  the  SAT  and  ACT                                                               
brought  her to  the College  Board Research  Report, which  said                                                               
these tests are now aligned to  the CCSS.  She asked Commissioner                                                               
Hanley if he knows anything about that.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:51:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY said  he understands  that the  SAT and  ACT                                                               
have undergone changes to "match  up with expectations around the                                                               
country," but  said he  has not  followed that.   He  stated that                                                               
both the SAT  and ACT have been  around for a long  time and they                                                               
are  "the  language"  commonly  used  by  colleges  in  terms  of                                                               
admittance.   He said  both the  governor and  legislature wanted                                                               
them "in there."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  said ACT,  in its  web site,  www.act.org, states                                                               
that it is  pleased to be an active partner  with the Common Core                                                               
State Initiative and is aligned to  the CCSS.  She indicated that                                                               
the  web  site  states  that  the  CCSS  and  the  College  Board                                                               
Assessment  are also  aligned.   She opined  that is  information                                                               
that needs to be brought to  light, because the state is going to                                                               
be paying  for these assessments.   She indicated that  the House                                                               
Special Committee  on Education does  not believe that  the state                                                               
should be paying for these tests.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:53:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked if the  Elementary and  Secondary Education                                                               
Act (ESEA) is the same thing as the NCLB waiver.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered  that ESEA is the same as  NCLB.  In                                                               
response to  Chair Reinbold, he  said the  state did not  have to                                                               
get that waiver,  but said the measurements for  NCLB became more                                                               
erroneous;  districts  were  having  to  do  things  that  seemed                                                               
inappropriate,   because   even   though   their   schools   were                                                               
successful, they were deemed as failing  under NCLB.  He said the                                                               
department felt  it needed flexibility  and felt there  was value                                                               
in pursuing a waiver from NCLB.   To follow-up questions, he said                                                               
there were  no penalties,  but there  were restrictions.   [Under                                                               
NCLB], the department  was giving additional control  to the U.S.                                                               
Department of Education to say  which schools were successful and                                                               
which were not,  which in turn restricted how funds  were used in                                                               
the districts.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked if the waiver  is in place so that the state                                                               
can  get money;  she  offered her  understanding  that amount  is                                                               
approximately $215 million from the federal government.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY asked  if Chair  Reinbold was  talking about                                                               
how much Alaska gets for supporting education.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  said she  was talking about  the NCLB  waiver and                                                               
the ASEA waiver,  which she said are interchangeable.   She asked                                                               
Commissioner  Hanley to  explain  the reason  why the  department                                                               
applied for the waiver.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said moving in  to 2014, the  requirement of                                                               
NCLB was 100  efficiency of all students, and  he reiterated that                                                               
that  the department  found  that measurement  of  success to  be                                                               
erroneous.   The waiver  allowed the department  to design  a new                                                               
measurement system.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:58:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD referred  to a  letter from  EED, dated  July 11,                                                               
2014, with the  following subject line:   "Notification of intent                                                               
to  amend Alaska's  ESEA Flexibility  Waiver Principle  1."   She                                                               
asked what Principle 1 means.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  indicated that  it had  to do  with ensuring                                                               
regular standards and a means by which to measure them.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  paraphrased the  first  three  sentences of  the                                                               
letter, which announced EED's plans  to request amendments to its                                                               
approved ESEA  Flexibility Waiver of certain  requirements of the                                                               
ESEA  Act,  noted  that  the amendments  apply  to  Principle  1,                                                               
College  & Career  Ready Standards  and  Assessments, and  stated                                                               
that  the amendments  will reflect  the department's  decision to                                                               
develop new  assessments following the withdrawal  from the SBAC.                                                               
She noted that  the department was requesting  comments about the                                                               
proposed  changes by  July 17,  and that  the comments  should be                                                               
submitted to Margaret McKinnon.   She asked if Ms. McKinnon works                                                               
for EED.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered yes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  noted that the  letter includes  the department's                                                               
web site.   She then paraphrased  the first two sentences  of the                                                               
final paragraph  of page 1 of  the letter, which read  as follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     To meet  the requirements of ESEA  flexibility, a State                                                                    
     education agency (SEA)  must develop annual, statewide,                                                                    
     high-quality  assessments,  and corresponding  academic                                                                    
     achievement   standards,   reading/language  arts   and                                                                    
     mathematics  in grades  3 through  8 and  once in  high                                                                    
     school.   These assessments  must be  fully implemented                                                                    
     no later than the 2014-2015 school year.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD said  the implementation  deadline "is  where our                                                               
concern  is," because  the date  has  been changed  from 2015  to                                                               
2014,  based on  a  promise  that [the  department]  made to  the                                                               
federal government.  She asked  Commissioner Hanley to confirm if                                                               
that is correct.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY reiterated  that it was an  agreement made in                                                               
order to  increase flexibility  in how  schools are  assessed and                                                               
how the department is able to spend the funding.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked if "content"  and "curriculum" could be used                                                               
interchangeably.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered no.   He explained that  content is                                                               
subject matter,  while curriculum is the  material and technology                                                               
used to teach the content.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  paraphrased the  ensuing  sentence  in the  same                                                               
paragraph  of  the  letter,  which   read  as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Among other characteristics,  a high-quality assessment                                                                    
     must  be  valid, reliable  and  fair  for its  intended                                                                    
     purposes,  be   aligned  with  a   State's  college-and                                                                    
     career-ready  content standards,  as well  as providing                                                                    
     an  accurate  measure of  student  growth  over a  full                                                                    
     academic year.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  said  people are  concerned  that  aligning  the                                                               
curriculum  to   the  standard  will   result  in  the   loss  of                                                               
significant local control.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  responded that the curriculum  should always                                                               
be aligned with  standards; that is not a new  concept.  He said,                                                               
"We  had our  previous set  of standards  that curriculum  should                                                               
have been aligned  to, because ... we were  assessing students on                                                               
their movement toward proficiency on those things."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  offered   her  understanding  that  Commissioner                                                               
Hanley  had  told  some legislators  that  the  department  could                                                               
change the curriculum  at any time, and she asked  him if that is                                                               
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered no.   He clarified that he  did not                                                               
say  the department  could change  curriculum, but  did say  that                                                               
districts  can  change curriculum.    He  stated, "If  we  chose,                                                               
because we  have no ties to  anybody outside of Alaska,  we could                                                               
make altercations  to our  standards.  At  the same  level, local                                                               
school districts have no ties  to their curriculum; they can make                                                               
those changes at the local level."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  said, "But  you've signed a  waiver that  say our                                                               
standards  are almost  identical  with the  [U.S.] Department  of                                                               
Education,  so  it  sounds  like  ...  it  would  be  [a]  pretty                                                               
incredible task to  get ... the standards changed."   She offered                                                               
her understanding  that school districts have  curriculum for six                                                               
years  once  they  purchase  books.    She  further  offered  her                                                               
understanding   that  the   contract  with   the  Achievement   &                                                               
Assessment Institute (AAI) of Kansas was for $25 million.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY confirmed  it was  a five-year  contract for                                                               
$25 million.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD listed  the investment of money,  the education of                                                               
teachers,  the alignment  of SAT  and ACT  to the  CCSS, and  the                                                               
alignment of  curriculum to standards,  and said it seems  like a                                                               
tall order to change the curriculum or standard.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  replied that the department  does not choose                                                               
lightly to  change the  standards.  He  said the  department took                                                               
two years  to develop its new  set of standards, during  which it                                                               
invited  a   longer,  five-month  public  comment   period,  held                                                               
webinars, met  with districts, traveled to  five communities, and                                                               
met with  business leaders, community  leaders, and parents.   He                                                               
said the change impacts many,  which is why careful consideration                                                               
is  given.   Commissioner Hanley  noted that  Chair Reinbold  had                                                               
said the  department aligns its  standards with that of  the U.S.                                                               
Department  of Education,  and he  said  that is  incorrect.   He                                                               
stated that the  department simply has its own  standards that it                                                               
believes will get  students to be ready to be  successful in work                                                               
and education.   He added  that the department even  checked with                                                               
the  University of  Alaska  to  find out  if  the standards  were                                                               
sufficient to prepare students for  post-secondary education.  He                                                               
said it was an extensive vetting process.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  said she  understood, but stated  that "a  lot of                                                               
people  believe that  the menu  was set"  and the  standards were                                                               
simply put forth for a stamp of  approval.  She said she had been                                                               
referring  to  Commissioner  Hanley's  aforementioned  letter  to                                                               
Patrick Rooney of the U.S.  Department of Education, in which she                                                               
said  Commissioner Hanley  wrote  that the  Alaska Standards  are                                                               
"nearly identical" to the CCSS.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:06:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD asked  why the  department chose  AAI as  its new                                                               
vendor.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY reviewed  the  state's official  procurement                                                               
process, which he  said the department followed  in searching for                                                               
a new vendor, and he said AAI scored the highest.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD asked  if it  is correct  that the  University of                                                               
California  was   going  to   administer  the   Smarter  Balanced                                                               
Assessment Consortium  (SBAC), but now AAI  will be administering                                                               
the Alaska Measures of Progress (AMP).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said he does  not know about  the University                                                               
of California administering the SBAC.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  indicated  she  had learned  of  this  during  a                                                               
meeting  of a  national  committee.   She  directed attention  to                                                               
Appendix D of  the contract with the University  of Kansas [dated                                                               
7/14/14  and   included  in  the   committee  packet],   and  she                                                               
paraphrased the  first sentence, which read  as follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     During   Year  2   of  the   Contract  between   Alaska                                                                    
     Department of  Education and Early Development  and the                                                                    
     Achievement and Assessment  Institute at the University                                                                    
     of Kansas, the Scope  of Work will comprise developing,                                                                    
     administering,  and  scoring summative  assessments  in                                                                    
     English language arts and mathematics in grades 3-10.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked, "Is that correct?"                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered yes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD noted  that later in the paragraph  it states that                                                               
that will begin in July 2014 and continue through July 2015.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY confirmed that information.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD noted  [under "Tasks  and Deliverables  by Month"                                                               
for July  2014, listed toward the  bottom of the same  page] that                                                               
there would  be a [practice  test] bias/sensitivity review.   She                                                               
asked,  "Who is  doing  the bias/sensitivity,  and  what are  you                                                               
looking for there?"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  answered  that   is  largely  where  Alaska                                                               
stakeholders  are  coming into  play  by  doing item  reviews  to                                                               
ensure there  are no items  that "don't make sense  in particular                                                               
cultural context."  He reiterated  that there are over 500 Alaska                                                               
educators doing reviews.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:10:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD noted that also in  Appendix D is the term "KITE,"                                                               
and she asked what it means.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  said   Kansas  Interactive  Testing  Engine                                                               
(KITE) is  the on line  tool that the  department will use  to do                                                               
the assessment.   In response to further  questions, he explained                                                               
that Questar is the subcontractor  that works with the University                                                               
of  Kansas to  help  EED  with the  technology  component of  the                                                               
assessment, and  he confirmed  that KITE  is the  delivery system                                                               
and Questar is the scoring company.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:12:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  indicated that she looked  up information related                                                               
to  Applied Measurement  Professionals,  Inc. (AMP).   She  noted                                                               
that AAI  has a large  number of  staff.  She  asked Commissioner                                                               
Hanley to explain who the  people listed on akassessments.org are                                                               
and what role those people fill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY said he could not  do that off the top of his                                                               
head, but  said all the people  listed are involved in  the large                                                               
task  of developing  the assessments,  including practice  tests.                                                               
In response  to follow-up questions,  he said a small  percent of                                                               
the people  are based in Alaska,  but others travel to  Alaska to                                                               
work with the  department and stakeholders on  practice items and                                                               
item reviews.  He indicated that  the cost of flying people up to                                                               
Alaska from  Kansas is included  in the contract.   He reiterated                                                               
the procurement process found the best candidate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked  if there is any reason  that the department                                                               
could not have contracted to work with an Alaskan entity.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  gave  two   reasons:    no  local  entities                                                               
applied,  and he  said he  does  not believe  any local  entities                                                               
exist   that  have   the  necessary   background  in   assessment                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   REINBOLD  mentioned   emphasis   on   local  control,   a                                                               
performance scholarship  "encouraging people to go  up here," and                                                               
[Alaska's]  independent  streak.    She  expressed  concern  over                                                               
employing the  University of Kansas  to make such a  broad change                                                               
in Alaska's  education system,  but said she  would hold  off for                                                               
the  time being  on  asking further  questions  about the  issue.                                                               
Regarding KITE, she  said she had read that "it's  put on ... any                                                               
computer  ...  and   it  basically  shuts  down   all  the  other                                                               
applications."    She  said  this  is in  regard  to  AMP.    She                                                               
mentioned a  local caching system  (LCS), which she  said "allows                                                               
them  to  administer   the  tests  when  the   broadband  is  not                                                               
available.  She asked if that is correct.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY indicated that LCS  could be used directly on                                                               
line or  downloaded to a local  cache or server.   He said, "That                                                               
was one  of the requirements  we had to  make sure that  we could                                                               
get it out to as many students and districts as possible."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:17:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD announced  her intent to hold a  future meeting to                                                               
discuss  the Family  Educational Rights  and Privacy  Act (FERPA)                                                               
laws and the issue of securing data from on line testing.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:18:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY   remarked  that   he  did  not   think  the                                                               
department currently had any regulations related to FERPA laws.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD stated the following:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     But it's  all intertied with assessments.   Assessments                                                                    
     come through regulation, as you  well know.  And ... as                                                                    
     an oversight to  education, we need to  ensure that our                                                                    
     students' data is protected and  that it's not invasive                                                                    
     as HB  257, which, as you  know, is going to  be coming                                                                    
     up  again this  year before  the legislature.   And  we                                                                    
     stated in  that committee  that when  you did  do these                                                                    
     assessments that you were cognizant  [of] the fact that                                                                    
     that was going to be facing the legislature again.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:19:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD opened public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:19:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RON HIGHLAND, Kansas State Legislature, related                                                                  
that a person named Paul Schwartz (ph) testified before the                                                                     
House Standing Committee on Education.  He continued as follows:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     What he said was very disturbing  to us:  the fact that                                                                    
     student data,  and he's  talking about  kindergarten up                                                                    
     to age  18, which is  the most valuable data  sought by                                                                    
     outsiders  because they  can use  that information  and                                                                    
     create  accounts  and  parents won't  know  this  until                                                                    
     their child  applies for  a student loan  or a  loan of                                                                    
     any type  and they  find out that  they're in  debt way                                                                    
     beyond  their  means.   So,  with  that information  we                                                                    
     became concerned about data privacy,  and we passed out                                                                    
     a data  privacy bill.  I  was not real happy  about it,                                                                    
     but what we  did get done was to  disallow any personal                                                                    
     information  from  being  transferred from  the  school                                                                    
     district  to KU  or  any outside  vendor.   And  that's                                                                    
     called aggregate data.  But  what this security analyst                                                                    
     told us  [was] that with about  80-90 percent accuracy,                                                                    
     an  intelligent hacker  can  backfill that  information                                                                    
     and identify the  individual.  So, my  other concern is                                                                    
     now how to  protect that data security  at the district                                                                    
     level,  and  we're going  to  have  to deal  with  that                                                                    
     during   the  next   session,  because   if  you   have                                                                    
     disgruntled teachers  or employees  or whoever  can get                                                                    
     into that  system at the  district level and  saw that,                                                                    
     that ... concerns me a great deal.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Now, on  the other side,  at KU, they were  hacked, and                                                                    
     to the extent  they're still not completely  sure.  So,                                                                    
     that data  is out there.   We  don't know how  much and                                                                    
     how much  of it  is identifiable,  but because  of that                                                                    
     they suspended all testing  or receiving of information                                                                    
     from the school  districts.  So, we are  in a situation                                                                    
     where no  testing or scoring  is going to be  done this                                                                    
     year and possibly  next year because of that.   So, the                                                                    
     data security is something that  we are looking at very                                                                    
     closely,  and I  would recommend  Paul Schwartz  to you                                                                    
     for information  on data security and  how important it                                                                    
     is in our futures.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     10:22:42 AM                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     And  then  beyond that,  we  have  a system  in  Kansas                                                                    
     called  [Kansas Individual  Data  on Students]  (KIDS);                                                                    
     it's the  information that they are  collecting on each                                                                    
     of the  children, and it  goes way beyond what  we feel                                                                    
     is  necessary  for  identifying  and  using  for  their                                                                    
     futures.  So, that is  something that we're going to be                                                                    
     looking  at and  assessing  obviously; and  ... all  of                                                                    
     that is of  great concern ....  Those  are things we're                                                                    
     going to be looking at,  but the data concern is number                                                                    
     one for us.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:23:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD mentioned a news  article about the aforementioned                                                               
hacked  data  system  in  Kansas.    She  read  that  the  hacker                                                               
bombarded  the system  with "intense  volumes of  data" that  the                                                               
server could not  handle.  She noted the article  stated that the                                                               
Center for Educational Testing  and Evaluation, which administers                                                               
the  case assessment,  had "identified  it" and  were working  to                                                               
eradicate the  attack.  She  explained the reason she  thought it                                                               
was  important to  mention  is  that "this  is  exactly the  same                                                               
delivery system that Alaska's planning ... to use."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIGHLAND opined  that  Chair  Reinbold should  be                                                               
concerned.  He  reiterated that the State Board  of Education has                                                               
determined it will not be issuing  any test results for this year                                                               
and possibly the  next year, and he indicated that  it would have                                                               
to be determined next legislative  session whether the reason for                                                               
that is "the security issue" or "the scores they received."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  reemphasized her  concern regarding  security and                                                               
the  aforementioned plan  to  accelerate the  change  to the  new                                                               
assessment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:25:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  HEENY  (ph)  indicated  that  she had  run  a  web  site                                                               
containing the words  "stop Alaska Common Core."   Prior to that,                                                               
she  relayed,  she worked  as  a  summer  faculty member  at  the                                                               
University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF),  was a home-school teacher,                                                               
and did  extensive work on  test questions and  item preparations                                                               
on college-level  tests.  She  said she did  not submit a  bid in                                                               
response to  the aforementioned procurement process,  because she                                                               
was engaged  in something else at  the time that would  have made                                                               
it inappropriate  for her to do  so.  Nevertheless, she  said she                                                               
has deep concerns.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HEENY  stated  her  understanding that  the  state  was  not                                                               
implementing   the   CCSS,   yet  [the   department]   is   still                                                               
implementing the Alaska  Standards.  She said  Patrick Rooney, in                                                               
his  letter  to  Arnie  Duncan,   June  2012,  calls  the  Alaska                                                               
Standards the  CCSS.  She  indicated that the letter  states that                                                               
"Alaska   also  utilized   two  national   experts  involved   in                                                               
developing the Common Core [State]  Standards," and that group of                                                               
experts was  called "the  Common Core team."   Ms.  Heeny stated,                                                               
"There has  never been any  ... effort until  I spoke up  to hide                                                               
the (indisc.) to Common Core."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HEENY  referred  to  a   letter  associated  with  the  ESEA                                                               
"flexibility  document" that  "talks about  the Alaska  Standards                                                               
being nearly identical."  She said  last year, in response to the                                                               
House Special  Committee on Education, Commissioner  Hanley wrote                                                               
that  there  were only  a  couple  of differences  [between]  the                                                               
Alaska  Standards   and  the  CCSS,  and   they  are  measurement                                                               
standards.   She said,  "Those are  detailed in  a memo  ... that                                                               
should  be attached  to the  one that  you read  earlier to  Mike                                                               
Hanley."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HEENY  said she is  also concerned about the  new assessments                                                               
because of  the involvement of Questar.   She said it  seems that                                                               
Questar is "on board" with the  CCSS.  She indicated that Questar                                                               
hosted and  funded [The  Council of  Chief State  School Officers                                                               
(CCSSO)],  and it  has  strong  ties with  those  people [on  the                                                               
council].     She  mentioned  Diane  Ravitch,   the  former  U.S.                                                               
Secretary of  Education under two  Presidents, whom she  said has                                                               
made strong comments about Questar,  which she offered to provide                                                               
for the committee to read.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HEENY stated  that Questar  hires "heavily"  people who  are                                                               
involved in  psychometric research and  follow the ideas  of Karl                                                               
Kautsky, who she  said was the man who  implemented the education                                                               
system for Karl  Marx.  She said she never  imagined, when voting                                                               
for Governor Sean  Parnell, that she would ever  be fighting "the                                                               
implementation of the ideas of Kautsky  in Alaska."  She said she                                                               
does   not   understand    why   psychometric   evaluations   and                                                               
measurements   are  being   used,  and   that  is   what  Questar                                                               
specializes  in.   She encouraged  those involved  individuals in                                                               
Kansas  to  consider doing  due  diligence  in looking  into  the                                                               
philosophy  behind  the  assessments,  because  she  opined  that                                                               
psychometric measurements  are not  the way  to go  in "preparing                                                               
children  for  a  free  society."   Ms.  Heeny  reemphasized  her                                                               
concern that the standards being implemented are the CCSS.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:32:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD said one of the  first pages on Questar's web site                                                               
read that  public school districts are  changing their curriculum                                                               
to the  CCSS.   She told  Ms. Heeny that  the committee  would be                                                               
discussing  the   issues  of   data,  assessments,   and  privacy                                                               
protection at a future date.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:32:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SASHA   PETIT   (ph)   prefaced   her   remarks   by   expressing                                                               
disappointment that  the hearing was  scheduled on the  first day                                                               
teachers had  to be in  school in the  Matanuska-Susitna (Mat-Su)                                                               
area, because  they were  missing the discussion.   She  stated a                                                               
concern about data security  when tracking students' information.                                                               
She questioned  if a student  could obtain a  general educational                                                               
development  (GED) and  take an  SAT  and not  have those  scores                                                               
reported back  into the system.   She said she knows  parents who                                                               
are concerned about the tracking of scores.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PETIT questioned  if  EED has  a course  of  action in  mind                                                               
should  there be  a  statewide  drop in  scores  as  a result  of                                                               
accelerating the  assessment plan  before teachers have  the time                                                               
to "align to the standards."   She said she is thinking about the                                                               
news of  the testing in  Kansas and  questioning the role  of the                                                               
security breach.  She continued as follows:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     I know that ... Commissioner  Hanley was saying that we                                                                    
     ... don't teach the test,  but if we are teaching every                                                                    
     child in  the district  to swim and  the test  is about                                                                    
     climbing trees  then every single child  will look like                                                                    
     a failure.   So, in a sense, we do  sometimes teach the                                                                    
     test or what  the standards are, and I  don't feel that                                                                    
     we  have an  accurate  representation of  what the  new                                                                    
     standards are so  that we can prepare  our children for                                                                    
     these tests.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PETIT questioned  what the  difference  is between  aligning                                                               
with  the  standards and  being  on  par  with  them.   She  said                                                               
curriculum changes  can be made  at the  local level, but  if the                                                               
curriculum  is aligned  to  the  standards or  on  par or  nearly                                                               
identical  with the  CCSS,  then  it seems  money  is being  used                                                               
contrary to what is  stated in HB 278.  She  said it sounded like                                                               
EED was  going to ask  the districts to  use their funds  for the                                                               
implementation of that which the  department would not be allowed                                                               
to use its own funds.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. PETIT said  another question she has as a  veteran teacher is                                                               
regarding  a two-year  time-frame  for teacher  evaluation to  be                                                               
tied in with student learning.  She continued as follows:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Right  now  ... an  average  junior  high classroom  is                                                                    
     getting  48  minutes with  one  student  a day  -  they                                                                    
     counted up 130  students.  And I want to  know how they                                                                    
     can tie an  evaluation of a teacher to  a tiny, little,                                                                    
     miniscule  block  that  they have  with  that  student,                                                                    
     especially when  learning is built  ... in  spirals and                                                                    
     in blocks,  and if a  student has not learned  in third                                                                    
     grade  or  fourth grade,  and  I  get them  in  seventh                                                                    
     grade,  I  don't  understand how  they  can  accurately                                                                    
     assess that I  am a poor teacher, based on  a 48 minute                                                                    
     block with a student.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PETIT  expressed  her  hope that  these  concerns  would  be                                                               
addressed or  changes would be  made to stop  the implementation,                                                               
especially coming  in alignment with  the CCSS, because  she said                                                               
she knows that when it is  stated that teachers are teaching to a                                                               
standard  that  is  in  alignment,  then  the  curriculum  always                                                               
follows.  She said as a  teacher, she looks through the standards                                                               
on the  EED web site and  asks herself if she  is addressing them                                                               
effectively.  She continued as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     And  having  been a  teacher  on  a curriculum  picking                                                                    
     committee,  I know  that whether  we say  we're aligned                                                                    
     with the  Common Core or  we're using the  Common Core,                                                                    
     if  our standards  are Common  Core [State]  Standards,                                                                    
     then we as teachers are  going to be forced into taking                                                                    
     a curriculum that follows the  Common Core, because our                                                                    
     ...  assessments and  our evaluations  are going  to be                                                                    
     tied into it.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:38:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD   apologized  that  the  meeting   was  not  held                                                               
previously, but  explained there had been  a scheduling conflict.                                                               
She deferred Ms. Petit's questions to Commissioner Hanley.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:39:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  said he  anticipates somewhat  of a  drop in                                                               
test scores,  not necessarily because  of the  assessment itself,                                                               
but because  the bar is  being raised;  students are going  to be                                                               
asked for much  more than what has  been asked of them.   He said                                                               
the goal is  to move students to proficiency so  that not so many                                                               
will  need remediation  when  they  go to  a  university or  into                                                               
career training.   He said  teachers will see where  the deficits                                                               
are and can move forward and address them.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. PETIT  remarked that by the  time the teacher sees  where the                                                               
deficits  are for  the student,  that student  will have  already                                                               
moved on to a new classroom and teacher.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY concurred,  but said  the information  about                                                               
how the student has been doing will also move forward.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. PETIT,  in response to Chair  Reinbold, said she is  a former                                                               
school teacher and  has just become a home school  teacher to her                                                               
daughter.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:41:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked if  the home school  students need  to take                                                               
the ACT,  SAT, and  WorkKeys assessments aligned  to the  CCSS in                                                               
order to earn a diploma.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY  answered no, if the  student is homeschooled                                                               
and completely untied  to the public school system.   However, he                                                               
mentioned Interior Distance Education  of Alaska (IDEA) and Raven                                                               
Correspondence School  and said those are  affiliated with public                                                               
schools  and  would  fall  under   the  same  requirements  as  a                                                               
traditional  neighborhood school.    In response  to a  follow-up                                                               
question,  he stated  that  correspondence  schools are  publicly                                                               
funded and, thus, are considered public schools.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:44:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR asked  Ms. Petit  for her  ideas on  how the                                                               
legislature can address  the issue of accountability  in terms of                                                               
how much funding should go  to public schools, better performance                                                               
for students, and  how teachers are assessed in  terms of student                                                               
performance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. PETIT  explained the  Mat-Su School  District has  moved from                                                               
the middle school  model to the junior high  school model because                                                               
of funding.  Teachers in the  middle school model were working as                                                               
teams, and she  said she feels there were "more"  results in test                                                               
scores.    She  recollected  Commissioner Hanley  had  said  that                                                               
because of  test scores, teachers  would be able to  evaluate the                                                               
students  better, but  she said  the  test scores  were not  made                                                               
available  to  the  teachers  in  a  timely  manner  [to  provide                                                               
teachers   information  in   terms   of   a  student's   specific                                                               
deficiencies].   In fact, by  the time the scores  were received,                                                               
it was  time for  the next test.   She posited  that in  order to                                                               
evaluate a  teacher, the  teacher should be  given the  tools "up                                                               
front,"  and assessments  done at  the beginning  and end  of the                                                               
year to measure the personal  growth of each student with his/her                                                               
teacher.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR asked  Ms. Petit if she is  familiar with the                                                               
response to  instruction (RTI) model,  which she said  she thinks                                                               
is like what Ms. Petit is suggesting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PETIT responded  no.   She  said she  has  used Measures  of                                                               
Academic  Progress®  (MAP®)  testing,  which  gives  the  teacher                                                               
immediate feedback.   She  said if  the RTI  model is  similar to                                                               
that she thinks it  would be helpful.  She said  a friend of hers                                                               
teaches 130 students, about 30  students per class, at 48 minutes                                                               
a  day.    She  indicated   that  the  ability  to  differentiate                                                               
instruction and assess  each student is stifled,  but the teacher                                                               
can  assess the  percentage of  growth  of each  classroom as  an                                                               
entity.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:48:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LORI COPPENBERG (ph)  related that she is a  concerned parents of                                                               
two  boys.   She said  her boys  were in  public school,  but she                                                               
switched  them to  a  parochial  school run  by  the Seventh  Day                                                               
Adventists.   She indicated that  the school was overseen  by the                                                               
State of  California and  was based  on the CCSS.   She  said she                                                               
began questioning  the local  school board.   She said  there are                                                               
many grants coming  for stem education through  the National Math                                                               
and  Science Institute,  and she  said the  institute's web  site                                                               
shows that it is based upon the CCSS.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. COPPENBERG  stated her further  investigation showed  that in                                                               
order for Alaska  Standards to be SBAC complaint, they  had to be                                                               
CCSS compliant.   She said it is important to  remember that even                                                               
though Alaska  pulled out of  the SBAC, the Alaska  Standards are                                                               
still  over  90  percent  [aligned  with] the  CCSS.    She  said                                                               
Florida, Kansas,  and many other  states are "stepping  away from                                                               
it," and it is  time for Alaska to either admit  that it is using                                                               
the  CCSS or  it  is not.   She  offered  her understanding  that                                                               
Patrick Gamble,  Commissioner Hanley, and Achieve,  Inc., had all                                                               
indicated  that  "we   are"  the  CCSS  because   "that  was  the                                                               
requirement in order for us to get  into the SBAC."  She said she                                                               
watched  the free  conference  committee hearing  on  HB 278  and                                                               
heard  Commissioner Hanley  speak  on the  intent  of the  Alaska                                                               
Standards and  the language  regarding not  paying for  the CCSS.                                                               
She stated, "Either  we did or we  didn't.  And I  think ... it's                                                               
just double  speak:   no we're not  going to, but  we are."   She                                                               
called  on  legislators to  "step  up  and  be honest  with  your                                                               
constituents"  who are  paying attention.   She  recommended that                                                               
the legislature create statute that would not allow the CCSS.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COPPENBERG  stated that  the  reason  that parents  are  not                                                               
coming forward  to their  legislators is  because they  are being                                                               
told a lie, and she urged the truth be told.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:52:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  agreed that "it  appears that all signs  point to                                                               
the fact that, yes, we are Common  Core in Alaska."  She said she                                                               
thinks  that is  the primary  reason she  worked so  hard on  the                                                               
House  Special  Committee on  Education  to  bring the  issue  to                                                               
light.  She  talked about a bi-partisan effort  to strip language                                                               
from the  legislation to address  problems that would  impact all                                                               
students.   She  said she  is considering  holding "a  very large                                                               
public  meeting to  expose the  truth."   She concurred  with Ms.                                                               
Coppenberg that  "we need to  either say yes  we are or  no we're                                                               
not."   She said the  curriculum is going  to be "aligned  to the                                                               
standard,"  and there  is no  freedom, because  "the menu's  been                                                               
set."  She said it is  part of the U.S. Department of Education's                                                               
plan.  She emphasized that it  was the State Board of Education -                                                               
not the legislature  - that passed the standards, and  it was EED                                                               
- not the legislature - that signed the NCLB waiver.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:54:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COPPENBERG said  she lives  "out  in the  valley" where  the                                                               
local school  board adopted  a new curriculum  that is  the CCSS.                                                               
She said in order for students  to meet the demands of the tests,                                                               
"it has  to be  Common Core  aligned."  She  indicated that  as a                                                               
parent who  home schools her  children, she has found  that there                                                               
are  so many  curriculums in  existence that  used to  be "pretty                                                               
independent" that are now "explicitly  aligned with Common Core,"                                                               
because that  is what the major  publishers are doing.   She said                                                               
it is  all about money  and millions  of dollars generated  for a                                                               
few  specific companies.    She opined  that  the state's  school                                                               
board members  should be  elected rather  than appointed  so that                                                               
the public  can replace  those who do  not give  the constituents                                                               
what they want.   She indicated that Texas disposed  of a system,                                                               
but is  still stuck with  the CCSS because  it costs too  much to                                                               
change the  text books.   She talked  about the cost  of teaching                                                               
teachers the  new way  to teach  math or  English, and  she said,                                                               
"You're not going to see a  change just because we decide that we                                                               
don't  like  it."    She reiterated  that  the  constituents  are                                                               
watching to  see what the  legislature will do about  this issue.                                                               
She concluded, "So, stop and pay attention and do something."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  responded that  attention is  being given  to the                                                               
issue  and the  committee would  be having  future hearings,  not                                                               
only on Questar and securing data,  but also on a testing concern                                                               
related to children with disabilities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD thanked everyone.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:58:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no  further  business  before  the  committee,  the                                                               
Administrative Regulation Review  Committee meeting was adjourned                                                               
at 10:58 a.m.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
1) 4 AAC 06.710. Statewide Student Assessment System.pdf JARR 8/14/2014 9:00:00 AM
2) Memo Statewide Exams (06.17.14).pdf JARR 8/14/2014 9:00:00 AM
3) SAF 543175 EED and AAI (04.09.14).PDF JARR 8/14/2014 9:00:00 AM
4) Standard Agreement Form for Professional Services (07.16.14).pdf JARR 8/14/2014 9:00:00 AM
5) Amendment to Professional Services Contract (07.15.14).pdf JARR 8/14/2014 9:00:00 AM
6) Notice of Intent to Amend ESEA Waiver.pdf JARR 8/14/2014 9:00:00 AM
7) Alaska Measures of Progress Timeline.pdf JARR 8/14/2014 9:00:00 AM
8) House Bill 278.pdf JARR 8/14/2014 9:00:00 AM